Wayne Grover 02 - Reflections on Ted Owens's Astonishing Claims and Lasting Impact

Wayne Grover 02 - Reflections on Ted Owens's Astonishing Claims and Lasting Impact

So it sounds as if the part of why he was saying he was going to create these hurricanes was because there was a drought and he had some interest in ending the drought. I don't really recall. I know there are a few times he seemed to be concerned about helping the world's weather. At first we'd accuse him, Dr. Ryan had accused him of trying, why do you want to destroy things? Why don't you try building and helping the world? And evidently that message may have registered with him. A little bit, but he would like to do something. Sure. Well, he's always seemed to go back and forth between doing positive and doing negative things. Usually, that would be his attitude.

He'd want to do something positive, but people would laugh at him, and he'd say, 'Well, they need to be taught a lesson.' He seemed to need desperately the recognition of the paper and the media. In summary, he had to be recognized. And he kept massive records. He would spend on posters just on me alone probably $50 a week sometime, and I think he did that to you and to Harder and some other people. Oh, yeah. We all got copies at the same time. So after Hurricane David occurred in 1979, you stayed in touch with him for several years. Yes, I did. You were on his list. A lot for the next two years, a lot. After that, it waned to almost nothing.

Then he came back in 1987 in a flurry before he disappeared from the face of the earth. Yeah. I did go meet him. He came down to Florida. He transferred. He had been started out in the western place. He came over and lived in central Florida, so I went up to see him and spent a day with him in central Florida. I met him, and the only time in person. When was that? That was probably 1980, 1980. I met his wife and his kids. He said something one time to me. He said, 'I do my best work after a bottle of scotch.' And I said, 'Well, don't most people?' But even though he would be drinking a lot, he stayed lucid all the time and very articulate.

He was very articulate about everything. And he never varied from the fact that he was part space alien now because they were controlling his brain. And it gave him communication device with them somehow. So during that day, did he? Do anything in particular with you? No, he didn't. I asked him once, and he got really upset with me. Again, they're always asking me to do miracles. Even Moses only did one every five years, something like that. But he was having a rather bad day, and I at least got to meet his family. He showed me lots of drawings. Bo did drawings of UFOs, and they'd been seeing UFOs, the whole family, they said. And they made drawings and showed them to me. Basically, I got fed up with the whole thing.

He smoked cigars constantly. I don't smoke, and I was getting put away by all the cigarettes most cigars smoke. So I came home, but we stayed in contact for a long time. I got barrages of predictions and then confirmations when they were done. Barrages of them. I think when we spoke last, you told me you no longer have all those files. No, I dumped them about. Two or three years ago, I had a huge box. I thought there were fire heads hanging in my attic, and the attic's been very warm, so I dumped them. Okay. Do you happen to have anything at all, like any photographs or anything of that sort? No, I have nothing left. Nothing at all. Okay. And I've changed computers a dozen times since then. Yeah.

All the hard drive stuff. Sure. And then you wrote for me a very interesting thing about a prediction he had made for you and your wife, as I recall. Remind me. Well, okay. Let me find it, because we published it in the book, but it was all very vague, and it was about? I know there's one thing I never did tell you about, but I told you you told me something that was really unusual. Mm-hmm. That may be what you're referring to. Yeah, and that was clearly unusual, mm-hmm. See if you can find it. I think it's but hold on. I'm going to look for it, because I'm pretty sure we published. You wrote up something about it. Let me try page 128 first of all. And that prediction, that thing we're talking about went on for 20 years. Okay. Hold on because where would that be? Maybe it's at the very end and it didn't get.

It's not listed in the index.

Where he had been with his family. This is in the book here on page, I'm reading from page 240. He sent you the drawings that his son had made of the UFOs that were hovering over their house in New York. And then you say there was a flurry of calls, and then one last one whose contents were very strange, in which I chose to keep private.

Suffice it to say, the predictions of that last conversation changed my life and caused me to wonder where science leaves off and the unknown begins. Yep, boy, that is accurate. My wife was witness to the events that followed and shares with me the wonderment of it. Yep, she's here right now. And I never heard from Ted Owens again after that last call. I think he died or something. Yeah. I don't know where he went. He died of sclerosis of the liver. Did you notice that until, with the exception of Hurricane Andrew, that no hurricanes came into South Florida for 25 years or so? They came north, south, around us, over us. North Carolina's dogs, they never came here? You know, I have not paid attention to that. We had none. Zero.

That's why in South Florida, built and built and built and built, because they ignored the fact that they don't get hurricanes. The coastlines and people built where they shouldn't, and the coastline here has been undeveloped with buildings. We had no hurricanes. Then this last year, in August, September, we had four. Bang, bang, bang, bang. It literally destroyed South Florida and Central Florida. Everything's standing. Was knocked down. So is that something he had predicted? In a way, yes. And I don't want to go into it; it would make me sound like I'm not in the case, and I'm not. But something was going on, and I was involved very intensely in the 20 years of these hurricanes out here.

And it went on, and it always – we were done here at the house, and my wife witnessed the whole thing, and we'd both say, 'Just go.' We just can't keep having these kinds of coincidences. It just can't be happening. And each time it would happen again and again and again and again perfectly. And then about two years ago, I said, 'I think it's over.' I think this has stopped. And sure enough, the hurricane started coming to Florida and just beat the hell out of us. And I have no idea. It wasn't something in my head. It was something he said and something that certainly worked. But two years ago, I realized it was over. Something had changed. Something drastically had changed. And Florida's bomb started.

Do you mind if I ask you more questions about this? I'm not sure I'll answer these. Go ahead. Did he give you one of his techniques for keeping the hurricanes away? Yes. Because, you know, I went through his training program myself. I don’t know what it is he gave me, but I would say in 35 to 40 instances, in that many hurricanes, the 20-year period, it worked flawlessly every single time. Not sometimes, not maybe. I thought about it later. It happened at the time. Literally sometimes by the hour. But did you say with the exception of Hurricane Andrew? Well, yeah, because Andrew hit South Florida right in the middle of all that. What year was it? It didn’t bother us at all. It was way down south.

It didn’t touch us up here. After that, there was really nothing here. Nothing. And then they started to hit the crescendo of historic first. And West Palm got hit twice. Central Florida got hit four times. And every tree, every billboard, everything that stood up laid down. And I know, statistically speaking, all of that was very improbable. Yeah, well, he had mentioned that there was a certain time limit to all of this stuff, because these so-called space intelligences are moving on to other things, and some effect he put into effect would only last a certain amount of time. When it was over, we would tell the difference in a hurry, as much as I can relate about it. Then there was the situation with the editor. Don Horine.

Yeah, well, he promised to destroy his life, and Don Horine's life was pretty well destroyed. In a very short period of time, he got fired from the Enquirer and was jobless; and I think his wife left him, and he had a bad divorce settlement; and he finally got a job down at the Palm Beach Post, which was just a pittance to start with, and I don't know what he does now. He was not a likable fellow, and he certainly was not liked by Ted Owens. I didn't like him myself. He was very otherworldly; he was a patrician. He didn't want to talk to such people as Ted Owen. Yeah. Ted was anything but a patrician. The Enquirer was determined not to be drawn into this thing: UFOs and two-headed babies.

People said, 'Yeah, you did the two-headed babies.' They never did something like that, but they were always accused because there were so many tabloids out there that did that kind of thing. And the Enquirer was the one that remembered, so they thought the Enquirer did it. The Enquirer had the highest, the absolute highest, highest journalistic integrity of anything I've ever been associated with. To get a story through there was literally impossible sometimes. And our attorneys had the last word on everything. And for the last several years of Clinton's administration, Clinton's attorney was our attorney. We shared attorneys. Well, is there anything else, Wayne, that you could add about Ted Owens reflecting back now after so many years? He was highly unusual. I met a lot of people.

I've traveled and lived all around the entire planet. I've never met anyone like Ted Owens. He was very intense. He wasn't likable, but he was unforgettable. And dealing with him, once you learn to deal with him, and he kind of liked you, he was actually acceptable. And he could be not warm, but he could be compassionate. And when he actually called and told me, the night when David turned, I mean, we were all in South Florida thinking we're going to lose our homes, we're going to lose the whole state. And I begged him not to do this. And within an hour after I called him, we were watching him with the channel all night, that hurricane began to slow down and stop, and then just sat there, then turned and went north, northwest, and went up into Georgia.

And I said, you know, here's a tremendous coincidence. Well, those coincidences continued on and on after that with these different things that went on with him. Yeah, because for years he would keep calling and letting you in on his latest demonstrations. I would say easily 500 times, usually 2 o'clock in the morning. But I didn't mind. When the phone would ring, I'd know it'd be him, and he wouldn't identify himself. He'd just go right into what he's telling me. And I got to the point that my wife and I would immediately sit up, take notes, and then four or five days later, he would come. The predictions that he predicted someplace in the newspaper, and they'd be laughing at him, and then four or five days later when the prediction actually happened, he would transpire, then we get the newspaper clipping.

Earthquake here, a drought here, a flood here, a firestorm here, and he was incredibly accurate. What would you estimate his accuracy at? At the time, I said about 80% of the stuff I dealt with. That was even, I didn't give him full credit, 80%. It would depend on the timing. I had to be sure of the timing of his new favorite clips, because I didn't get them, he did. But they all had dates and times on them, and they were always in advance of the actual event. His predictions came in advance. He'd call them in verbally, and I'd record him sometimes, sometimes I wouldn't. Then he would send them in; he'd write them on a scrolling piece of paper, smelling cigar smoke, scribbled all over it, showing little symbols and signs.

Signed the SCI man telling me what he was going to do. And then, a few days later, I get the newspaper that this actually had happened here, there, in assembly, India, or any place in the world. He predicted the entire planet, not just the USA. And, of course, we're using the term predictions, but he usually didn't refer to them as predictions. He said he's going to cause it to happen. He would say he's going to make it happen. And he went into his method with you? That he was causing it by? His only method was, the explanation was that he was in contact with the space intelligences, and he would ask them for certain things, and then they would happen. Right. I never bought that, but what else could I say?

So you didn't witness any UFO types of phenomenon with him? No, no, I did not. Like harder? No, no. Yeah. Okay. Well, I can't think of anything else at the moment. No. Are you still taping? Yeah. Okay. Well, I can't think of anything else either other than this. I mean, if I had all those tons of notes, I could have gone through there. Sure. They took up so much room. I never was quite totally comfortable about this whole thing. Of course not. It was so weird. I'm a journalist, and I'm surprised I'm even talking to this guy, but there was something appealing about him. Mm-hmm. Because he was so determined to convince everybody. He did a good job of it. Well, I think so. I mean, it's why, you know, 20, 30 years later, I'm still.

I would think if Bo was still around, Bo and his daughter, who I don't remember, I would think they could be located, because we can locate anybody on the computer now. I mean, it should be. Well, there are 15 Bo Owens around. Make 15 calls. Yeah, that's what it would take. Because I think that's important. I want to find out when he died, why he died. Probably my alcoholism, I don't know. Yes, sclerosis of the liver. Oh, I can give you, I have a copy of the obituary. Oh, please. Yeah, let me.