So now you have the advantage. I have the book in front of me, which refers to you in a large part. And so I thought I'd just sort of run through that. And maybe a good way to begin, Wayne, is just to talk about your background, because I know that. Tad Owens dealt with you in the context of your being a reporter at the time, I think, with the National Enquirer. But your journalistic background is much broader than that. I was in the Air Force for 23 years, stationed all around the world. And during that time, I was always assigned as a public information officer in addition to my other duties. And I was very successful in it and did quite well in it and was once upon a time voted the best journalist in the U.

S. Air Force. And upon retirement, I worked for Lockheed Aircraft in the Middle East for two years, helping train Saudi pilots and also did Lockheed journalism over there. When I finally returned to Lantana, Florida, where I had moved my family after retirement, I said, well, I had to start something new. I had no idea what to do because I was too young to retire. I was only in my early 40s. My wife said, the National Enquirer is only three miles from here down by the ocean. Why don't you go down there? And I said, 'The National Enquirer?' Are you kidding? I said, well, you might be surprised at the Enquirer. So I went down to the National Enquirer, and sure enough, I was surprised. Beautiful facility with high-end everything.

And I talked to one of the main editors, and he liked me immediately, and I went to work for them. That was 1979 early, and I'm still doing it occasionally. And 1979 was just about the time when you were first introduced to Ted Owens, as I recall. That's correct. Within a few months after going there, I— I got there about January, actually December of '78. And within a few months, it was Ted Owens had come into my life. And he had contacted the inquirer, I assume, and it was referred to you. He contacted the inquirer, and in the old days, phone calls would come in to the main search wish board. They would look for a portal line open, and then they would shut down to that position.

I had to be there the day he called and took the call. Do you remember the first conversation? I don't remember the first conversation, the content of it, but it was basically he was referring at that point to UFOs, and he was part alien with an implant in his brain, and I was about to hang up on him, but I wasn't going to talk to him. He thought the Enquirer did that kind of stuff, which they didn't do. And I told him he was under misguided direction. We just don't do things like that. But after talking to the guy, he seemed a little different, and he seemed very articulate. And so I spoke with him, and he told me some things. And the next several days, he called more times, and I got a little more interested.

And then he said, well, he would show me and show the Enquirer if we would do something to help him set up an experiment, then he would conduct it for us. And we subsequently did set up an experiment. I forget where it was now, but I remember we hired several people and some scientists. James Harder. Harder, that's right, Harder. Now, if I recall correctly, first there was the episode with Hurricane David. It was in September of 1979. And then it was either after or maybe in the middle of all of that, I think, that then came the expedition with Harder, which took place up in Oregon. Yeah, someplace up there. The September 1979 hurricane, let's talk about that a little bit.

Ted Owens at that time had been upset by the Enquirer editor with whom I was working on that particular story. And the guy literally laughed in his face and just derided him over the telephone. He was very upset, and we talked after we got off the editor, and he said, 'Look, I'm going to fix this editor. I'm going to bring a hurricane over the National Enquirer, and I'm going to destroy him and you and the Enquirer and everybody else.' I said, 'Well, don't.' I was just playing with it. Don't do that. Because, you know, we're right on the coastline of the style to help those people who don't do such a thing. And within about a few days, we did, in fact, get Hurricane David coming across the Cape Verde Hurricane, which is one of the powerful.

At one point, it hit Category 5 out there in the open Atlantic Ocean. It was coming straight for South Florida. And I called Ted and asked him not to do this. Ted turned the thing. And he said, 'I'll call you back.' And he called back and told me he had been in contact with his FIs, his space intelligences or whatever he referred to them as. And that he had asked that this thing turned away not to hurt us. He said, 'I've never done this before, but I'm going to do it for you, Wayne, because I like you.' And I didn't laugh at him. And we're sitting there under hurricane warnings. All of South Florida is boarding up and getting ready for this tremendous hit.

And sure enough, this thing trucked across the Atlantic, got off our coast about 80 miles. And turned and went straight up north-northwest and went into Savannah, Georgia, and Rattle, Georgia, and South Carolina. And he called back that morning, the next morning, about 7 or 8 o'clock, and said, Wayne, that was for you. So coincidence? Who knows? Actually, if I recall the way we have it written up in the book, there were several other episodes where it went back and forth a couple times. Hurricane David? Yeah. I don't recall. I just remember it came right up straight on to between Delray Beach and Boynton in Lantana, which is all one little area directly at us. I then turned and paralleled the coast until I got to Georgia.

You were probably in touch at the time with my partner who was working with me on the Owens case, Scott Rogo. I did, yeah. Didn't Rogo die in the meantime? He was killed in 1990. Right. I did talk to Scott quite a few times. He was following this case carefully. And what we've got here, all right, the hurricane, it turned away. Okay, then something happened. Here it says that he, Owens. After the hurricane, after he had turned it away, then there was going to be a story about him supposedly, but it got canceled. That's when the editor still laughed in his face and said, you know, it's just a bunch of bucks. We all thought so. I agreed as well. But I was still talking to him, even though I thought he was probably nutcase.

I was beginning to get a little. I feel a little different about him because he was saying some things that just seemed to take my interest somewhat. That's when we set up, I convinced Editor Don Horan to set up this scientific experiment. He said he could actually draw in, pull in UFOs and be seen, and he would prove it. And so it was actually subsequently set up, and on some hillside someplace up in Oregon, evidently it was not there. And from what we gathered, the people we talked to, several didn't see anything. So here's what I understand happened there is Harder, who was one of my professors at Berkeley at the time, went up there with Owens, and he had promised Owens he'd stay a week, and Owens would produce a UFO with him.

And after about five days, at one point there were some lights in the sky, and Owens said, 'see, they're starting to come,' and Harder said, 'it looks like it's probably an airplane' to him. And then Harder left. Said, I've had enough. And he left before the full week was over. And Owens felt that he had been misled or betrayed a little bit by that. Yeah, that sounds accurate. But then, and so. 25 years, I don't remember the details. Yeah. Then Owens decided. That he was going to cause a, after this, it's hard for me, unless I read this over very, very carefully, which I should have done. It was to figure out exactly where Hurricane David came in. Was it before or after this? Hurricane David came in September of 1979.

Okay. And that was, I think, before. Well, hold on, because I've got the book. It looks to me like. As far back as February, it says, Owens had promised Grover he would raise a hurricane in the Atlantic and guide it directly into Florida. Actually, he said he would raise three hurricanes in the month of June, which was totally unheard of. We don't have June hurricanes, usually. I've never seen one. And it didn't subsequently happen, actually. But the Hurricane David did happen. That's when he advised he would take one over Lantana, which that would be coming our way. On the timing, I'm not sure it's been so long. I've thrown away all my notes in the meantime. Yeah. Well, here it says that the way Scott Rogo wrote it up for our book.

Scott had the facts, and I gave the facts at the time. Sure. He calls it a two-part demonstration. I'm sure this is accurate because these are notes made at the time divided by an interlude. So first there was some stuff going on early in the year. In which Owens was trying to end a drought going on in Florida. Right. And he caused rain. A lot, a lot of rain to end their drought. Record-breaking rain. 16 inches of rain in Miami. We had 16 inches up here, too. Nearly flooded my house. Yeah. Correct. Mm-hmm. A drought condition, which was Owens. Owens did a lot of that sort of thing. Right. Now, I remember the Enquirer kept asking Owens to keep doing things. He said, 'I can't keep performing. Why should I keep performing miracles?

I give you one and you want another and another and another.' Yeah. That's when he was getting really upset with the National Enquirer and Donna Ryan. Sure. And then, so after ending this drought, then comes the episode with Harder and the UFOs. Okay. And that takes place in May. Of 79? Yeah. Or of 80? May of 79. Okay, so before the September. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And there was apparently what Owens thought was a very good UFO sighting, lights in the sky acting very funny, and Harder said it's no UFO, and furthermore, he packed up and left the next day. Which Owens felt violated the conditions that had been set up with the Inquirer. And that was on May 28th. Somehow a nasty story got published in the Palm Beach Post about Owens.

I think we did, yeah. I've forgotten that, too. Is that an Inquirer paper or somebody else? That is the Palm Beach Post, the daily newspaper. All right. They were aware of this at the time. They were aware of this because it had been picked up by the local news show, and they were aware of this going on, so they kind of tongue-in-cheeked the story about this National Enquirer's got a psyche that's going to cause rain or floods or make lightning. So by mid-May, he had ended the drought with horrendous rains. He had performed a UFO experiment that somehow got botched. Because the researcher left early, according to Owens. And then Owens felt he was being treated cynically after he had done all of that. But the drought was still continuing, is what it says here.

Lake Okeechobee, even after all of that rain, had a water depth of only 14 feet, when it should have had a level of 16 1/4 feet. So there was still a drought going on in spite of all the rain. And even the Florida Keys were being hit with a drought. In that time of year, it's pretty unusual. It gets a lot of rain starting about May or June. Usually almost every day, by June until September, October. Now, and then it says, He had first told you in February he was going to bring a hurricane. And as you say, maybe he said three in June, which didn't happen, I gather. We had some large tropical storms for him in June. It did not become a hurricane. Okay. And then on August 22nd.

He warned you that the hurricane that he had promised was in the making. Stand by for a ram, people of Florida. He jotted down in a note that he mailed to you the next day. The real action begins during the next month or two. And then it didn't happen 30 to 60 days. It happened four days later. Almost immediately, yeah. I recall because what I gave. I originally was read off the notes day by day, hour by hour, basically. During this time, Ted was also sending me other clippings. He was going to create lightning here and lightning there, so he would tell me when he'd done it, and then he would send me a clipping showing that he had done it someplace to ask for lightning, and then the result was these unusual phenomena.

And I got dozens of clippings like that over this period of time between this initial month going on. He was trying to convince me he could do any number of things with the space intelligences, which he said there were four huge UFOs. Parked around the earth at different points that he could control, or that could control him because he was part alien, he thought, or at least he had been picked up as a child in something better than his head. He did have a large scar on the back of his head. Yeah. First they did see where it came from, I don't know. Yeah. So this was all part of that. It was a flurry of activity from him. And most of the things he was telling me, most of them were borne out, and the only question was the timing.

But most things were borne out. It was not just lightning, but it was any number of things around the world, droughts and floods and lighting strikes and earthquakes. And he seemed to be really good at earthquakes, predicting before an earthquake would happen. And they were happening pretty well when he said they would. He was not a seismologist, so that was a little surprising. So it sounds as if the part of why he was saying he was going to create these hurricanes was because there was a drought and he had some interest in ending the drought. I don't really recall. I know there are a few times he seemed to be concerned about helping the world's weather. At first, we'd accuse him. Dr. Ryan had accused him of trying. Why do you want to destroy things?